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		<title>By: Appellation Beer: Beer From a Good Home &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What if Robert Parker were a beer writer?</title>
		<link>http://www.redwinebuzz.com/winesooth/2009/04/22/wine-writers-weigh-in-on-ethics/#comment-1595</link>
		<dc:creator>Appellation Beer: Beer From a Good Home &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What if Robert Parker were a beer writer?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the author at winesooth.com asked several prominent wine writers a variety of leading questions. Good reading. But if you check out just one response make it Jancis [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Last Word on Wine Media Ethics &#124; 1 Wine Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.redwinebuzz.com/winesooth/2009/04/22/wine-writers-weigh-in-on-ethics/#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last Word on Wine Media Ethics &#124; 1 Wine Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 10:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mind you.&#160; I was myself the target of an ethical stone or two thrown last year, and there’s been some damn fine writing lately on what constitutes ethical behavior in the world of wi....&#160; Also, in case you haven’t noticed, I do write about wine.&#160; Sometimes.&#160; When [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mind you.&#160; I was myself the target of an ethical stone or two thrown last year, and there’s been some damn fine writing lately on what constitutes ethical behavior in the world of wi&#8230;.&#160; Also, in case you haven’t noticed, I do write about wine.&#160; Sometimes.&#160; When [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 1WineDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>1WineDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I am growing tired of the ethics topic all around, there is no doubt that this post and the thought-provoking answers it generated is just phenomenal, phenomenal work.

Always a pleasure to read your stuff, but this one is setting a new and even higher bar.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I am growing tired of the ethics topic all around, there is no doubt that this post and the thought-provoking answers it generated is just phenomenal, phenomenal work.</p>
<p>Always a pleasure to read your stuff, but this one is setting a new and even higher bar.  Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Thor Iverson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thor Iverson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's call it a different, rather than higher, standard. By raw numbers, I would strongly suspect that most restaurant critics abide by no or very few such guidelines. By total influence, it would be a closer call; newspaper restaurant critics are far more likely to be subject to them than magazine critics, some of the most famous of which are not only the opposite of anonymous, but may not have paid for a meal in decades.

The "link" between food and wine actually isn't all that relevant to the question of ethics in each field of criticism. The reason some restaurant critics practice anonymity, etc. is due to the fear that their experience will be different than the readers' if they're known while they dine. That can't happen with bottled wine, though there's a danger while barrel-tasting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s call it a different, rather than higher, standard. By raw numbers, I would strongly suspect that most restaurant critics abide by no or very few such guidelines. By total influence, it would be a closer call; newspaper restaurant critics are far more likely to be subject to them than magazine critics, some of the most famous of which are not only the opposite of anonymous, but may not have paid for a meal in decades.</p>
<p>The &#8220;link&#8221; between food and wine actually isn&#8217;t all that relevant to the question of ethics in each field of criticism. The reason some restaurant critics practice anonymity, etc. is due to the fear that their experience will be different than the readers&#8217; if they&#8217;re known while they dine. That can&#8217;t happen with bottled wine, though there&#8217;s a danger while barrel-tasting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thor , Your comment was well written and makes some good points.  I agree that food critics seem to have a higher standard.  The Association of Food Journalists have a very detailed code of ethics:

http://www.afjonline.com/afj.aspx?pgID=874

Personally, I have no problem with wine writers' ethics, it is just an interesting observation.  With food and wine being so closely linked I would think their criticism would be too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thor , Your comment was well written and makes some good points.  I agree that food critics seem to have a higher standard.  The Association of Food Journalists have a very detailed code of ethics:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.afjonline.com/afj.aspx?pgID=874" rel="nofollow">http://www.afjonline.com/afj.aspx?pgID=874</a></p>
<p>Personally, I have no problem with wine writers&#8217; ethics, it is just an interesting observation.  With food and wine being so closely linked I would think their criticism would be too.</p>
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		<title>By: Thor Iverson</title>
		<link>http://www.redwinebuzz.com/winesooth/2009/04/22/wine-writers-weigh-in-on-ethics/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>Thor Iverson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, some restaurant critics are reimbursed by their publications, and some aren't. Some are anonymous, some are only anonymous in theory, and some aren't and never have been. And especially these days, with many -- perhaps most -- publications failing or struggling, the money to fund restaurant criticism is tight. The number of visits per review has been reduced. The allowable expenses have been reduced. And for anything other than top-line restaurant reviews, it's more common than not that the writer is funding a lot of their dining out of their own pocket.

It's also worth noting that almost no other critics work this way. Music, film, theater, literary, art, etc. critics are neither anonymous, nor expected to pay for what they're reviewing, nor expected to avoid the people who produce what they're reviewing. Yes, a few -- very few -- publications have their own rules that trump the usual practices, but they're a rarity. So a better question might be: is restaurant criticism measurably superior to all other forms of criticism? If it's not, then one probably can't credit the rules imposed on it.

Arthur makes an excellent point about extremely high-end restaurants and the cost to review them. It's worth asking whether, for example, Per Se can be skillfully reviewed on a tight budget, which is almost all there is these days. I mean, obviously it *can*, but a three-visit review that takes in the full experience is far, far more useful to the reader than a one-visit review based on dining from the new bar menu.

And in general, I think this shows the way to think about critics. Are they serving you or not? If they are, then doesn't that matter an awful lot more than how they work? If they're not, then we can consider why that is, and conflicts of interest may indeed be the reason. But it serves no one if a critic practices the most painstaking ethical separation yet cannot produce work that's useful to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, some restaurant critics are reimbursed by their publications, and some aren&#8217;t. Some are anonymous, some are only anonymous in theory, and some aren&#8217;t and never have been. And especially these days, with many &#8212; perhaps most &#8212; publications failing or struggling, the money to fund restaurant criticism is tight. The number of visits per review has been reduced. The allowable expenses have been reduced. And for anything other than top-line restaurant reviews, it&#8217;s more common than not that the writer is funding a lot of their dining out of their own pocket.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that almost no other critics work this way. Music, film, theater, literary, art, etc. critics are neither anonymous, nor expected to pay for what they&#8217;re reviewing, nor expected to avoid the people who produce what they&#8217;re reviewing. Yes, a few &#8212; very few &#8212; publications have their own rules that trump the usual practices, but they&#8217;re a rarity. So a better question might be: is restaurant criticism measurably superior to all other forms of criticism? If it&#8217;s not, then one probably can&#8217;t credit the rules imposed on it.</p>
<p>Arthur makes an excellent point about extremely high-end restaurants and the cost to review them. It&#8217;s worth asking whether, for example, Per Se can be skillfully reviewed on a tight budget, which is almost all there is these days. I mean, obviously it *can*, but a three-visit review that takes in the full experience is far, far more useful to the reader than a one-visit review based on dining from the new bar menu.</p>
<p>And in general, I think this shows the way to think about critics. Are they serving you or not? If they are, then doesn&#8217;t that matter an awful lot more than how they work? If they&#8217;re not, then we can consider why that is, and conflicts of interest may indeed be the reason. But it serves no one if a critic practices the most painstaking ethical separation yet cannot produce work that&#8217;s useful to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting perspective, Ted.

The problem is that most restaurant and food critics operate within such a radius of their home that would allow them to drive to the establishment. Many if not most wine critics live hundreds if not thousands from the subject of their critiquing. 

However, if we consider the meal and the related service the subject product and the critic has such renown, and their opinion can set the establishment in a broader culinary landscape thus generating greater revenue, the only way to get the critic to experience the food and service is to get them to your establishment. 

For a place like the French Laundry, where a Prix Fixe for one is a bit less than a round trip flight between JFK and SFO, this may make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective, Ted.</p>
<p>The problem is that most restaurant and food critics operate within such a radius of their home that would allow them to drive to the establishment. Many if not most wine critics live hundreds if not thousands from the subject of their critiquing. </p>
<p>However, if we consider the meal and the related service the subject product and the critic has such renown, and their opinion can set the establishment in a broader culinary landscape thus generating greater revenue, the only way to get the critic to experience the food and service is to get them to your establishment. </p>
<p>For a place like the French Laundry, where a Prix Fixe for one is a bit less than a round trip flight between JFK and SFO, this may make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an interesting comparison would be a restaurant critic.  

Would it be acceptable for a restaurant to pay for a critic's travel, prepare a free meal, and provide lodging?  I don't believe any food critics work this way .(however I'm just guessing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an interesting comparison would be a restaurant critic.  </p>
<p>Would it be acceptable for a restaurant to pay for a critic&#8217;s travel, prepare a free meal, and provide lodging?  I don&#8217;t believe any food critics work this way .(however I&#8217;m just guessing)</p>
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		<title>By: Thor Iverson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thor Iverson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps because I started in newspapers, and only later went out on my own, I was forced to give this issue a lot of thought from the beginning. When I started publishing online, I actually spent a great deal of time crafting a sort of &lt;a href="http://www.thoriverson.com/faq.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;statement of ethics &#38; practices&lt;/a&gt;. The Squires/Miller/Dr. Vino kerfuffle has, of course, offered opportunities to &lt;a href="http://oenologic.blogspot.com/2009/04/untangled-unencumbered.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;revisit&lt;/a&gt;, but if I'd known Jancis was going to offer her own thoughts, I would just have linked to her and saved myself the time. Because I agree with everything she writes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps because I started in newspapers, and only later went out on my own, I was forced to give this issue a lot of thought from the beginning. When I started publishing online, I actually spent a great deal of time crafting a sort of <a href="http://www.thoriverson.com/faq.html" rel="nofollow">statement of ethics &amp; practices</a>. The Squires/Miller/Dr. Vino kerfuffle has, of course, offered opportunities to <a href="http://oenologic.blogspot.com/2009/04/untangled-unencumbered.html" rel="nofollow">revisit</a>, but if I&#8217;d known Jancis was going to offer her own thoughts, I would just have linked to her and saved myself the time. Because I agree with everything she writes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for this--I truly enjoyed seeing the range of responses for your individual questions. While I do not review wines, I have a sense of ethics which I believe can be settled with an answer to a question: "Is what I'm doing for my readers?" As a wine journalist the answer should be a strong yes every time. Any time that it's not for your readers, that means you are either taking the trip for yourself or some other motive. If there's any integrity worth preserving in writing wine reviews it's to be the reader's advocate. As writers of any form, the audience is who we serve and ultimately owe any success to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for this&#8211;I truly enjoyed seeing the range of responses for your individual questions. While I do not review wines, I have a sense of ethics which I believe can be settled with an answer to a question: &#8220;Is what I&#8217;m doing for my readers?&#8221; As a wine journalist the answer should be a strong yes every time. Any time that it&#8217;s not for your readers, that means you are either taking the trip for yourself or some other motive. If there&#8217;s any integrity worth preserving in writing wine reviews it&#8217;s to be the reader&#8217;s advocate. As writers of any form, the audience is who we serve and ultimately owe any success to.</p>
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