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		<title>By: winesooth.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not in the wine trade but want to post my URL!</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>winesooth.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not in the wine trade but want to post my URL!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was to be THE online wine biz community continues to stagnate. As my recent review of membership illustrates, it is becoming increasingly cluttered with spam [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was to be THE online wine biz community continues to stagnate. As my recent review of membership illustrates, it is becoming increasingly cluttered with spam [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Griffith</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2407</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m a little late to the party. Thanks to Tom&#039;s recent post for pointing me here. I want to pick up on Thomas&#039; point about social networks and revenue generation to state what seems like an obvious argument in favor of funding a coordinator. 

The most successful offline networks I&#039;ve known have been dependent on someone to lubricate the connections.  In most cases these networks had a coordinator who was generating revenue doing what they loved to do. Many times the network petered out when that person found better paid work. The trick seems to be minimizing the identification of the network with an individual and managing the transition from one coordinator to the next.

Joel has done an amazing job building the tools on OWC and coaching members on how to use these tools. The question is how does OWC grow to the next level, and what is that next level? Arthur has proposed some transformative goals which are pretty exciting, but coordinating a group of 4,500 sneezing members to act on these issues takes a significant effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m a little late to the party. Thanks to Tom&#8217;s recent post for pointing me here. I want to pick up on Thomas&#8217; point about social networks and revenue generation to state what seems like an obvious argument in favor of funding a coordinator. </p>
<p>The most successful offline networks I&#8217;ve known have been dependent on someone to lubricate the connections.  In most cases these networks had a coordinator who was generating revenue doing what they loved to do. Many times the network petered out when that person found better paid work. The trick seems to be minimizing the identification of the network with an individual and managing the transition from one coordinator to the next.</p>
<p>Joel has done an amazing job building the tools on OWC and coaching members on how to use these tools. The question is how does OWC grow to the next level, and what is that next level? Arthur has proposed some transformative goals which are pretty exciting, but coordinating a group of 4,500 sneezing members to act on these issues takes a significant effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to mobilizing the membership of the OWC, I think you hit it on the head with one your last points: &quot;I am also willing to accept the argument that times are tough right now and members are focusing on issues closer to home for the time being.&quot; 

This is a feeling I&#039;ve had for many charity organizations as well--the organizations which benefit most from certain individuals are the ones whose &quot;issues are closer to home&quot; for those individuals. There are many things vying for your attention in the world, charities, wine communities, and otherwise. You need to rank highly on that meter of &quot;closer to home&quot; to incur any mobilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to mobilizing the membership of the OWC, I think you hit it on the head with one your last points: &#8220;I am also willing to accept the argument that times are tough right now and members are focusing on issues closer to home for the time being.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is a feeling I&#8217;ve had for many charity organizations as well&#8211;the organizations which benefit most from certain individuals are the ones whose &#8220;issues are closer to home&#8221; for those individuals. There are many things vying for your attention in the world, charities, wine communities, and otherwise. You need to rank highly on that meter of &#8220;closer to home&#8221; to incur any mobilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Preston</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel has built a great platform for others to use.  Leadership has to come from the members, not the techie.  Just maintaining the site is more than enough for one person.

I appreciate Joel&#039;s efforts and don&#039;t expect more of him.

If members want a board of directors, certifications, articles, etc. then do it.  I&#039;m sure Joel will take care of the software to facilitate member&#039;s activities.

- jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel has built a great platform for others to use.  Leadership has to come from the members, not the techie.  Just maintaining the site is more than enough for one person.</p>
<p>I appreciate Joel&#8217;s efforts and don&#8217;t expect more of him.</p>
<p>If members want a board of directors, certifications, articles, etc. then do it.  I&#8217;m sure Joel will take care of the software to facilitate member&#8217;s activities.</p>
<p>- jim</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Perdue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Perdue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Revenue: 

I dunno if it&#039;ll help, but yesterday, I started an affiliate program that would give bloggers an 18% share of my subscription revenue ... 

This link talks about it generally: http://wineindustryinsight.com/?p=6081

and this one specifically:
http://vip.wineindustryinsight.com/affiliate/

I&#039;m certainly open to changing/adding things if they help bloggers etc. All ideas welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Revenue: </p>
<p>I dunno if it&#8217;ll help, but yesterday, I started an affiliate program that would give bloggers an 18% share of my subscription revenue &#8230; </p>
<p>This link talks about it generally: <a href="http://wineindustryinsight.com/?p=6081" rel="nofollow">http://wineindustryinsight.com/?p=6081</a></p>
<p>and this one specifically:<br />
<a href="http://vip.wineindustryinsight.com/affiliate/" rel="nofollow">http://vip.wineindustryinsight.com/affiliate/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly open to changing/adding things if they help bloggers etc. All ideas welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Pellechia</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2175</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Pellechia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur,

Contrary to my email, I do have soemthign to say on this matter.

This situation points to one major problem with social networking: if it&#039;s not a revenue-producing phenomenon people working or administrating on their own time will inevitably have to give it less attention. It&#039;s like any volunteer organization, analogue or digital.

It&#039;s a fine thing to create a place where networking is possible--or leveraging, as you guys like to call it--but if that clearinghouse is not a revenue-maker, it quite possibly has a predictable life span.

It&#039;s the same question as the one for blogs: how does one make the Internet into a revenue stream? 

Until new media is viewed as a revenue producer and not as a free exchange of ideas or marketplace, it&#039;s probably not going to be a revenue producer for any but the large, capitally-invested players. Nothing new there--all the media that I&#039;ve been involved in have followed that path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur,</p>
<p>Contrary to my email, I do have soemthign to say on this matter.</p>
<p>This situation points to one major problem with social networking: if it&#8217;s not a revenue-producing phenomenon people working or administrating on their own time will inevitably have to give it less attention. It&#8217;s like any volunteer organization, analogue or digital.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fine thing to create a place where networking is possible&#8211;or leveraging, as you guys like to call it&#8211;but if that clearinghouse is not a revenue-maker, it quite possibly has a predictable life span.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same question as the one for blogs: how does one make the Internet into a revenue stream? </p>
<p>Until new media is viewed as a revenue producer and not as a free exchange of ideas or marketplace, it&#8217;s probably not going to be a revenue producer for any but the large, capitally-invested players. Nothing new there&#8211;all the media that I&#8217;ve been involved in have followed that path.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wark</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Wark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen Joel Vincent in action. The man is busy. The fact the OWC has gotten where it is is a testament to his work and those he&#039;s brought in to keep it going.

However, Arthur does have good points. The potential of the OWC is untapped. That wouldn&#039;t be a big deal if that potential wasn&#039;t very, very big. 

Perhaps OWC needs an active Board of Directors that will drive initiatives. Yes, they&#039;d do it voluntarily. And it would take time and effort. But this might be the solution.

4,500+ members is nothing to sneeze at. But just imagine what could happen if they all sneezed at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen Joel Vincent in action. The man is busy. The fact the OWC has gotten where it is is a testament to his work and those he&#8217;s brought in to keep it going.</p>
<p>However, Arthur does have good points. The potential of the OWC is untapped. That wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal if that potential wasn&#8217;t very, very big. </p>
<p>Perhaps OWC needs an active Board of Directors that will drive initiatives. Yes, they&#8217;d do it voluntarily. And it would take time and effort. But this might be the solution.</p>
<p>4,500+ members is nothing to sneeze at. But just imagine what could happen if they all sneezed at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.centralcoastwinereport.com/winesooth/2009/10/15/is-the-openwine-consortium-aimlessly-adrift/#comment-2172</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel

I also appreciate your thoughts and comments. 

I know you work hard and, as a past admin of the OWC, I know just how hard and time-consuming this work is.
The infrastructure you have created is admirable - but it is not being leveraged. This is not really a shortcoming for which you alone should be burdened. Still, you and I can probably agree that there is much potential for the existing community and infrastructure to do a lot of good. Perhaps what is needed is a different approach to how the OWC community is organized and motivated. So I a gree that OWC need not be top-heavy, but it needs a handful of strong voices to serve as rallying points.
And the latter statement of mine answers the question you bring up in your second comment. 
I think you will acknowledge that I worked with a good amount of zeal as an admin of the OWC. But as you say, one person cannot carry the weight of 4600.
So this post was not meant to denounce OWC (or your efforts) but rather to exhort its membership to action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel</p>
<p>I also appreciate your thoughts and comments. </p>
<p>I know you work hard and, as a past admin of the OWC, I know just how hard and time-consuming this work is.<br />
The infrastructure you have created is admirable &#8211; but it is not being leveraged. This is not really a shortcoming for which you alone should be burdened. Still, you and I can probably agree that there is much potential for the existing community and infrastructure to do a lot of good. Perhaps what is needed is a different approach to how the OWC community is organized and motivated. So I a gree that OWC need not be top-heavy, but it needs a handful of strong voices to serve as rallying points.<br />
And the latter statement of mine answers the question you bring up in your second comment.<br />
I think you will acknowledge that I worked with a good amount of zeal as an admin of the OWC. But as you say, one person cannot carry the weight of 4600.<br />
So this post was not meant to denounce OWC (or your efforts) but rather to exhort its membership to action.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Allan

Thanks for commenting.

You are right that the image I have for this post was derived from the WBC logo. I played with the OWC logo, but it just was not working.

The WBC logo is about energy and zeal and being vocal about wine. The altered image I put up represents the antithesis of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Allan</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>You are right that the image I have for this post was derived from the WBC logo. I played with the OWC logo, but it just was not working.</p>
<p>The WBC logo is about energy and zeal and being vocal about wine. The altered image I put up represents the antithesis of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last point - I think the higher level question is:

If you think the industry needs a way to address the issues to bring up, what&#039;s your plan to address those issues and how can the OWC community help in that effort.

The communication infrastructure is there connecting 4600+ industry people to affect the change you allude to.  How can you implement that change on this open infrastructure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last point &#8211; I think the higher level question is:</p>
<p>If you think the industry needs a way to address the issues to bring up, what&#8217;s your plan to address those issues and how can the OWC community help in that effort.</p>
<p>The communication infrastructure is there connecting 4600+ industry people to affect the change you allude to.  How can you implement that change on this open infrastructure?</p>
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